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The Real Deal
When Rome Girl saw Patti Smith in concert a couple of weeks ago it was a transformative experience. What shocked her was that I'd played tons of Patti Smith songs for her over the years and so had other friends of hers and she had always been bored by her music.

Then, she saw Patti in concert. Now, she's such a fan that she's even printed up pictures of Patti and taped them up behind her computer for inspiration. And this is a woman who, in general, doesn't like rock and roll at all.

"It's just so weird," she said to me the other night. "It makes me have to rethink the way I look at music."

"That," I replied, "is what happens when you see The Real Deal."

"But," she asked. "What is the Real Deal?"

"You know it when you see it," I said. "And you never forget it."

The Real Deal dates back to when I spent a few years reviewing rock and roll concerts for Gannett. You'd see the same other reviewers at shows and you'd all end up talking. Together we came up with the concept and it is this:

Most commercial music is fun, but stops there, at fun. You like the records and then get off on jumping up and down and singing along at the shows. But, it's only fun if you are into the songs and/or like that genre of music.

The Real Deal is different. It's a rare thing. Some people are so transcendently good that it makes no difference whether you know the songs or the artist or even want to be at the show. When you see these people perform your heart races and you are swept up into something beyond what seems to be there on the surface. When you see the Real Deal it doesn't matter if you don' like the musical genre. You'll get swept up in it.

The problem is that The Real Deal almost never translates to recordings - so you have no way of knowing it until you see it. And nine times out of 10 the people who sound like the real deal on CD or Vinyl end up not being the real deal when you see them.

But holy mother of fuck when you see The Real Deal it blows your mind.

The downside is that when you see it it skews you. People who have only seen the artist play on television (which doesn't translate The Real Deal very well) or heard the records will never understand your passion for these people.

I first encountered The Real Deal - though I didn't have a term for it at the time - when I was about 12 and my dad was reviewing concerts He dragged me to, of all people, Vic Damone. You can imagine how unenthusiastic I was at going. But.... the dude delivered the goods and sold me even though I hate, hate hate that type of music.

This is why I so steadfastly defend Axl Rose even though he's a world class bullshit artist. When I saw Guns N Roses in concert it was very, very clear that he's The Real Deal. For all his insanity, showing up for gigs late and just being a general asshole the motherfucker will take you to another world when you see him live.

So tell me, when have you seen The Real Deal and how did you know it when you saw it?




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[info]clovepod
2007-11-11 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Al Green, and Jonathan Richman spring immediately to mind.

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[info]spqr_ragazza
2007-11-11 02:24 pm UTC (link)
Al Green? No kidding? See, he always is someone whose CD I put on to chill out. You never know!

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[info]clovepod
2007-11-11 03:35 pm UTC (link)
that's probably the *best* live show i've ever seen. he's extremely charismatic. this was after he'd become the reverend al green, and the venue was small, an old movie theater. he spent a lot of the show walking down in the audience singing to specific people and interacting with us. the audience was, of course, mostly ladies. there were some very flustered ladies in that audience when it was all said and done. doesn't matter if he's singing about God's love or his own, Al Green is definitely the real deal.

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[info]clovepod
2007-11-11 03:38 pm UTC (link)
Upon further reflection I'd add Diamanda Galas. I'd be willing to believe that Prince is the real deal, but i saw him in a stadium (and he refused to perform at the after-party, sadly) so i feel like i can't entirely judge. this was also after he decided to do "family-friendly" shows (sigh) which i think hurt his performance because he basically has to hold back a lot.

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[info]bart_calendar
2007-11-11 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Prince, surprisingly is not the Real Deal.

He's great, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't transcend.

If he did, you'd know it even if he was playing the biggest stadium in the world.

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[info]cyntata2672
2007-11-12 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Prince fucking is the Real Deal. Good lord.

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[info]clovepod
2007-11-13 03:17 am UTC (link)
that was the impression i'd gotten from people who had seen him earlier in his career.

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[info]cyntata2672
2007-11-12 02:44 pm UTC (link)
Diamanda Galas is on my Real Deal list too. I saw her at Carnegie Hall on Halloween in 1996. Daaaaamn.

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[info]clovepod
2007-11-13 03:16 am UTC (link)
i think one caveat with galas is that she may need to be solo. i saw her solo and it was one of the most riveting performances i've ever seen in my life. however, i saw her with john paul jones and it was one of the worst shows i've ever been to. it didn't help that the house was nearly empty and it was a seated venue.

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[info]cyntata2672
2007-11-13 03:20 am UTC (link)
I saw her by herself with her piano. Definitely the way to see her.

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[info]absente
2007-11-11 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Ani Difranco, solo acoustic tour, Carnegie Hall.

'Nuff said...

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[info]rip_her_off
2007-11-11 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Ive seen a couple, Iggy Pop is top of the list in my Real Deal hallf of Fame, he needs to reasoning. the man is a beast.
The Adicts was grand, transforming a cold brick venue into a trashy glitterfest full of punks in bowler hats singing and thrashing along. the guy has been doing this since '77 and he does it to this day with a big smile on his face and reasonable prices and small venues.

theres more. but those are my favorites.

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[info]bart_calendar
2007-11-11 06:09 pm UTC (link)
I've seen Iggy Pop and agree completely.

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[info]herbaliser
2007-11-11 05:16 pm UTC (link)
David Bowie when NIN opened for him in 1995.

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[info]herbaliser
2007-11-11 05:22 pm UTC (link)
This was actually my first time seeing real bands live (ie bands i've heard songs of), so it kind of set the stage. I have fortunately encountered very few bands that I was previously a fan of then disappointed on-stage. Some acts that went all-out include Garbage, Better Than Ezra, Squirrel Nut Zippers, and Maximo Park.

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[info]clovepod
2007-11-13 03:20 am UTC (link)
i'm iffy on the squirrel nut zippers. they are a lot of fun, but i think katherine whalen is much too restrained. jim mathus is closer to the real thing, though.

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[info]herbaliser
2007-11-13 03:22 am UTC (link)
Tom Maxwell!

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[info]clovepod
2007-11-13 03:40 am UTC (link)
heh. SNZ are from my area and i was an obsessive fan of a band tom was in before they formed. however, he was overshadowed in the charisma department by the lead singer in that band. and yet it was clear that he was a very talented, entertaining guy.

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[info]herbaliser
2007-11-13 03:40 am UTC (link)
yeah, i matriculated in 1995 and after worked in raleigh till 2001

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[info]cyntata2672
2007-11-12 02:43 pm UTC (link)
I saw him on that tour. Great. I was going to put him on my Real Deal list too.

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[info]vintagehandbag
2007-11-11 06:01 pm UTC (link)
Willie Nelson, Little Richard, the Drive-by Truckers, Pansy Division (most fun I'd had at a concert in YEARS). All of these shows blew my mind.

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[info]the_lost_collar
2007-11-11 09:58 pm UTC (link)
I've only ever HEARD about Iggy Pop concerts and I would say he was the real deal...

It's hard for me to decide on something like this because I love live music so much that I often feel pretty uplifted at shows; and other times I have been on one or another drug, and I feel like that really doesn't count. I guess I would have to say Radiohead, Flaming Lips (I have seen them twice and the same thing happened), and the New Orleans Klezmar All-Stars. I am also tempted to add Gogol Bordello, but I don't think it quite meets the standard. They're just awesome, not transcendently awesome.

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[info]prolium
2007-11-11 10:12 pm UTC (link)
The Tragically Hip. My friends were big on them, but their music didn't make an impression until I saw them in concert.

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[info]leeecon
2007-11-12 12:53 am UTC (link)
mickey avalon. in the top five best live shows i've ever seen.

this guy is seriously poised on the precipice of superstardom, and i think he knows it, but he doesn't act like he knows it.

maybe he knows it, but he's just too wasted all the time to really do anything about it.

but seriously. this guy HAS. IT.

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[info]theadulteress
2007-11-12 11:42 am UTC (link)
Rammstein, Gurten Fest, 1998 (I think).

Subsequent to which, the next time I could go to one of their concerts, I flew half-way around the world to see it.

I saw Guns n'Roses in Paris in 1992, and that was fantastic too.

Renaud at our local rock festival a couple of summers ago. And every time I've seen him since. (I can't count the first time I saw him, as I was so high I don't remember more than a few flashes.)

But I have to admit I saw Patti Smith at our local festival ten years ago, and I was utterly bored and didn't enjoy it at all. The only reason I remember it was because I spent it being felt up by the guy in front of me whilst my not-yet-husband and best friend kissed over my head in between kissing me...

But Rammstein are Gods.

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[info]cyntata2672
2007-11-12 02:51 pm UTC (link)
I'm thinking of all the shows that I felt changed after seeing them.

The Jody Grind-it's a shame most of them were killed in a van accident, but I wasn't a huge fan of them until I saw them live. Their career was tragically cut short.

David Bowie

Patti Smith

Swans

Diamanda Galas

Pearl Jam

Nirvana

Morphine

Sonic Youth

Erasure

Ani DiFranco

REM



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[info]bart_calendar
2007-11-12 02:53 pm UTC (link)
I've heard several people say that about Pearl Jam - enough so that if they tour again I may go see them even though their studio recordings do nothing for me.

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[info]cyntata2672
2007-11-12 02:58 pm UTC (link)
I haven't seen them in years, but I saw them twice while they toured for Ten. One was a show that I worked and got to drive Eddie Vedder around Athens, GA before the show. The other was where the manager of Pearl Jam remembered the show I was in charge of and got me in for free at a sold out show in Atlanta at the Fox Theater (one of the best locations ever to see a live show).

I admit that I am completely and totally biased, but I've worked many, many concerts and theirs goes down as tops. I'm not sure how I would feel about seeing them now. However, whenever I listen to the bootleg of the Atlanta show, I am magically transported to how perfect that show was and how great it was to be in charge of a sold out show to 4000 University of Georgia students.

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[info]clovepod
2007-11-13 03:23 am UTC (link)
swans, yes! i never saw swans, but i saw gira under his 'angels of light' guise a few years ago and he was fantastic. that voice.

i think i was too young the one time i saw REM to really get it.

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[info]cyntata2672
2007-11-13 03:39 am UTC (link)
I got to see The Swans twice. I was too effed up to enjoy the first show, but the second one was so incredible. My friends and I all agreed that we felt like we were being fucked by the music.

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[info]redsonjasea
2007-11-12 04:10 pm UTC (link)
I have seen a lot of concerts, although the ones I remember the most had particularly charismatic performers: Nina Hagen, David Bowie, Prince (3 times), Siouxsie, Billy Idol, ACDC, Stan Ridway, Lou Reed, Marianne Faithful (3 times) and Laurie Anderson (3 times.)

But...realizing that someone is the real deal when they haven't been signed up yet is a wierd feeling. I went to Athens GA to watch some bands and the 688 club in Atlanta. Guadalcanal Diary hadn't been signed yet but I knew they were the real deal...Murray's voice was great. I saw Marianne Faithful in 1980 when she was making a come-back and knew she was going to be sticking around for awhile.

There was also a band called the Nightporters that I thought had real potential.

But the first time I saw RuPaul I knew he was going to be big. Just wasn't sure in what capacity...he had an ok voice but a great presence.

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[info]bart_calendar
2007-11-12 04:14 pm UTC (link)
I would kill to see Siouxsie.

One of her posters was the first image I ever masturbated to.

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[info]redsonjasea
2007-11-12 04:20 pm UTC (link)
I was lucky enough to meet her as well. She definitely had presence...seemed really centered which surprised me.

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[info]bart_calendar
2007-11-12 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Well she was a public figure from about age 15 or 16 onward so she probably has gotten used to dealing with people.

Hell she was friends with John Lydon when she was 15 - and if you can deal with him you'd have to be fairly centered.

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[info]sodoff_baldric
2007-11-12 08:37 pm UTC (link)
I've seen undiscovered bands who I thought were the Real Deal -- I predicted they would be huge -- but never really went anywhere. The only time I was right was The Pixies. And even then, while they had some success in their day, it wasn't until a few years ago that they were widely recognized as seminal.

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[info]sodoff_baldric
2007-11-12 08:16 pm UTC (link)
Performers I've seen who have been the Real Deal experiences, and Phoning It In another time I saw them: Bob Dylan, Van Morrison, George Clinton

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[info]bart_calendar
2007-11-12 08:20 pm UTC (link)
I've seen Dylan three times.

Each time I expected the Real Deal and each time he left me feeling used and taken advantage of.


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[info]sodoff_baldric
2007-11-12 08:25 pm UTC (link)
That's how I felt about Bowie, though I won't be giving him a third chance.

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[info]bart_calendar
2007-11-12 08:31 pm UTC (link)
For me I was paid to see Dylan all three times, so no loss.

I have yet to see Bowie though I have heard from other reviewers that he is far, far, far from the Real Deal.

Which isn't always a bad thing.

YOu can have a good time seeing a dude do your favorite songs. It's just different.

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[info]sodoff_baldric
2007-11-12 08:40 pm UTC (link)
As I get older, harder to impress, maybe more jaded... I wonder how many more of those revelations I'll have. The only truly transformative concert experience I've had in the last five years was the Flaming Lips.

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(Anonymous)
2007-11-13 12:31 am UTC (link)
for me the last one was paul mccartney. now who doesnt like paul....you may not love him, but u wont change the station if it comes on. kind of like led zeppelin for me. but at the PM concert, i had chills for 2 str8 hours. and you really know its the real deal when you wake up the next day and it is still resonating in your brain.
others:
john cougar
george michael
fleetwood mac

love
fabulous cousin

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