bart_calendar ([info]bart_calendar) wrote,
@ 2009-11-01 15:23:00
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Venus In Furs
My shrink told me to read Venus In Furs by Leopold Von Sacher-Masoch so we can talk about it on Tuesday.

As you may have guessed this is the book that gave us the term Masochism. It was the first published work of what, I guess, could be called FemDom erotica or looked at as a corollary to the works of the Marquis de Sade.

Unfortunately, de Sade has a much greater understanding of human sexuality than Masoch did. De Sade's stories are extreme but you can get involved in the characters and follow their desires.

Masoch's main character, Severin, is simply annoying for several reasons:

1. He's a complete idiot who doesn't listen to anything his lover says to him unless it's what he wants to hear.

2. He is topping from the bottom so much, that I'm not even sure he is an honest to god Masochist. He may be simply a controlling fuckwad.

3. He hates, hates hates women - and several times says that "women are the enemy." This is the complete opposite to most male subs - because we are sub because we love the power of female sexuality so much. Severin seems to hate female sexuality, which is why he wants to be whipped.

4. It's impossible for a modern reader to not wonder if Severin's real problem is that he's closet gay.

Here's the basic plot. A dude in his mid 20s is living in an apartment in a nice house when a beautiful young widow moves in next door. He immediately becomes obsessed with her - mostly because he has a fur fetish and she wears furs all the time.

The two of them court each other for a while at which point he proposes. She says that she thinks she loves him but is so recently widowed she wants to take it kinda slow to make sure of her feelings for him.

He then replies - totally out of the fucking blue - that if she won't agree on the spot to marry him then he wants to be her slave instead, needs her to whip him, wants her to fuck tons of other guys and eventually kill him while doing something kinky.

She responds that this squicks her because she really, really wants to be dominated by a man and doesn't get where the fuck he's coming from.

So, they don't talk about it for a while and continue to court during which time she realizes she's in love with him - and TELLS HIM SO. To this, he responds by rambling on and on to her about the whip and being her slave, etc...

Essentially in frustration she agrees to this, but tells him again and again that she really wants a man to dominate her not the other way around. And, she warns him time and time again that if he insists on this crap she might lose respect for him and find a "strong man."

It starts out with light punishments and afterward she tries to cuddle with him and talk about how much she loves him and wants him to talk about how much he loves her. He clearly does love her, but doesn't get the hint and begs to be beaten more and cheated on.

This frustrates her and eventually makes her enjoy beating him - but not because it gets her off, simply because he's less annoying when he's being treated like shit. At this point she starts telling him that she's no longer in love with him at all and is just treating him like this she because she's honestly curious as to how much shit he'll take before he leaves.

Down the line a Greek count that all the ladies in town want moves into a villa down the road and she creams her panties for him. Since Severin has been begging her to fuck someone else for like nine months at this point (and has in fact never fucked her or done anything sexual with her beyond sucking her tits) she decides to date the dude.

At which point Severin freaks the fuck out, threatens suicide, calls her a cheap whore and acts like a total possessive dick. She's like, WTF - you asked me to do this motherfucker! She's also squicked because even when Severin is screaming that he'll kill himself if she fucks him, he's also begging her to tell him how "beautiful" the Greek dude is - to the point where you have to wonder if what's really pissing him off is that he'd rather the Greek dude fuck him than his girlfriend/mistress/whatever Venus is to him at this point.

She's so frustrated and pissed off at Severin now that she decides to hurt him as badly and cruelly as possible. So, she tells him that the whole thing about not loving him anymore and wanting to bang the Greek dude was just role play and of course she's always loved him. She tells him to book a carriage so they can move somewhere where no one knows them and start a new vanilla life together as husband and wife.

He gets really happy and makes the arrangements. He comes back to the villa and she's like "let me tie you up one more time." He's like "sure!" As soon as he's tied up the Greek guy appears and beats the shit out of Severin. She then tells Severin that she's tired of his shit and is going off to marry the Greek.

Severin is like "what the fuck you are a total bitch/cunt/whore" and she's like "whatever dude, fuck off."

Three years go by and then one day Severin gets this letter from her:

"Now that over three years have passed since that night in Florence, I suppose I may confess to you that I loved you deeply. You, yourself, however stifled my love by your fantastic devotion and your insane passion. From the moment you became my slave I knew it would be impossible for you to ever become my husband. However, I found it interesting to have you realize your ideal in my own person, so I gloriously amused myself, perhaps, to cure you.

I found the strong man for whom I felt a need....

(boring text I'm skipping over)

...I hope you have been cured under my whip: the cure was cruel but radical. In memory of a woman who once loved you passionately I am sending you my portrait."

Severin's response to this is to decide that all women need to be beaten as much as possible. He buys all sorts of weird whips, hires young nubile servents and spends the rest of his life whipping them and fucking them.

The end. He closes by saying "No one can ever make me believe again that (women) are the image of God."

Fuck you dude! There are characters in low grade FemDom porn that make more sense than he does.

Thank fuck that dom/sub relationships have evolved past this point in the 130 years or so since this was written.

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[info]blozor
2009-11-01 04:22 pm UTC (link)
Your shrink does know the pedistal you put women on, right? It seems odd that she would have you read this to make any sort of a point other than pissing you off. Based on your description, I don't even really see the correlation between hating women and wanting them to dominate him. It would seem he would want to have the power over them, not the other way around.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-01 04:36 pm UTC (link)
He says to her, I shit you not, that he wants this because women always try to claim power in a relationship and if they can't do so by beating the man they will instead do so through "petty nagging" which he'd like to avoid.

Also, it's unclear if he hates them at the start. At the start he may just be seriously terrified of them and wants the beatings to confront his fear and then when he gets himself in too deep and she leaves him that's where the hatred may start.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-01 04:49 pm UTC (link)
As for why my shrink gave this to me we talk a lot about gender power dynamics and have had long talks about the works of de Sade (particularly Nouvelle Justine), Camille Paglia's Gender Personae, Andrea Dworkin's works, Marilyn French's The Women's Room and the evolution of erotic/porn over the ages, so being exposed to the origin of the concept of Masochism may just be a piece of the puzzle of our on going dialog that she felt I should be exposed to.

She seemed surprised when she brought up Masoch a few weeks ago and I had to admit I hadn't read it.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-01 04:49 pm UTC (link)
That should read "Camille Paglia's Sexual Personae."

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[info]blozor
2009-11-01 04:50 pm UTC (link)
I can kind of see why. It doesn't seem like a very well thought out book.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-01 04:53 pm UTC (link)
Yeah. But it is an important part of the cannon when it comes to discussing the evolution of fetishes and perceptions on human sexuality/perversion.

And it's probably just as valuable to have a discussion about why Masoch is wrong as it is for us to have a discussion about why de Sade was right on the money.

I do wish the book had less passages about him wanting hump her fur coats. I don't know why but his hypersexualization of her furs creeped me the fuck out.

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[info]spqr_ragazza
2009-11-01 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Well, in his defense, he did invent the idea. So it probably wasn't as fully formed as it is now. I wonder what the author would say about the idea today, knowing all we know now. That being said, de Sade got it right the first time around; but maybe sadism is an idea that's easier to get right the first time. Masochism strikes me as being more complicated.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-01 05:01 pm UTC (link)
That's true.

Also, doing some googling today I see that de Sade loved his sadistic tendencies, but Masoch was deeply ashamed of his Masochistic ones - so de Sade may have been much more self aware than Masoch.

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[info]spqr_ragazza
2009-11-01 05:04 pm UTC (link)
Right, I think that is the complicated part of masochism - sadists have no place being ashamed, whereas masochism, I'd think by default, has to include a dash of shame. And it's not in the human nature to do things we're ashamed of, so when we do - especially by choice - it must come with a shit-ton of baggage.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-01 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Right, which may be why he makes Severin become a Sadist at the end - "Yes, I humped furs and let a woman whip the shit out of me, but now I have the power and whip them! I learned my lesson!"

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[info]spqr_ragazza
2009-11-01 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Man, sadists must love that book.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-01 05:10 pm UTC (link)
I think true sadists would be even more angered by the book than I am.

Also, they'd be disappointed by how unimaginative the tortures Severin demands are.

Being ordered fuck furs (when you have a fur fetish) and being tied to the bed and hit with a whip is nothing compared to what de Sade came up with.

Even the cheating fetish part of it is fucked because once she does it he freaks out.

Though her final torture of him at the end - which is the only torture that is HER idea - is sorta inventive and interesting. Making him think she loves him again, only to have him beaten up by the man she really loves, is fucking clever on her part.

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[info]spqr_ragazza
2009-11-01 05:12 pm UTC (link)
And given that it was written years after de Sade, makes it even worse.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-01 05:15 pm UTC (link)
Plus the fact that she gets no pleasure out of whipping him and when he starts whipping women he doesn't get any sexual pleasure out of it - he's just decided that women want to be whipped and it's his obligation as a man to do it.

That's not sadism, that's misunderstanding the point his lover was trying to make which was simply - stop bothering me with your weird fetish shit and just fuck me.

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[info]radiumhead
2009-11-01 05:30 pm UTC (link)
The best thing about that book? Without it, we wouldn't have the Velvet Underground song.

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The Descendent
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2009-11-02 12:49 pm UTC (link)
You're aware, aren't you, of who the current Countess von Sacher-Masoch is (through her mother's line)?

Right: Marianne Faithfull.

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Re: The Descendent
[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-02 12:51 pm UTC (link)
I had no idea.

Makes you wonder what her and Mick Jagger got up to back in the 60s.

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[info]horshoo
2009-11-02 05:06 pm UTC (link)
PSA: How to tell a masochist from a sadist

The masochist says, "Beat me."

The sadist says, "NO."

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[info]sam_die_sonne
2009-11-03 12:50 pm UTC (link)
Oh wow, the way you put it sounds so bad that is sounds good, haha.

I almost wanna read it now XD;

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[info]dragonwoodshed
2009-11-03 03:07 pm UTC (link)
Brilliant synopsis. Please do that for all books I should have read ever! The bird in that picture looks worryingly like the exDuchess of York.

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[info]bart_calendar
2009-11-03 03:09 pm UTC (link)
That is Fergie.

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[info]donnalee_kiss
2009-11-06 05:41 am UTC (link)
With FemDom, why would the guy tell her he wants to see her fuck other men, or know that she did, but when she says she found a dude to do that, he would call her a slut and trash her? That's not what it is about at all. Damn Bart, you need to write a book, I'm sure it would be better than that mess.

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